NCAA Dysfunction: Student-Athlete Challenges with The Current Chaos

The Parent Portal Show looks at the NCAA's search for solutions to the challenges it faces, including proposed changes to its structure and regulations. Stephen Nold and Coach Gumbert raise concerns about the NCAA's motives and its reluctance to address the needs of student-athletes. The financial impact on college athletics and the potential loss of revenue shares are also discussed. The courts may play a significant role in shaping the future of the NCAA. Alabama's proposed legislation regarding name, image, and likeness (NIL) is reviewed, as well as the potential impact on high school athletes. The conversation concludes with a controversial idea of in-game donations.

Takeaways
• The NCAA is facing challenges and searching for solutions to regulate college athletics.
• There are concerns about the NCAA's motives and its reluctance to address the needs of student-athletes.
• The financial impact on college athletics and the potential loss of revenue shares are significant factors.
• The courts may play a significant role in shaping the future of the NCAA.

Transcript

Stephen Nold (00:06.691)
Alright, we're dead time, I've got to move this chair out of the way.

Coach (00:24.479)
Hey, it says we're live!

Coach (00:30.131)
Hey, Steven. I just got a YouTube notification that we're live.

Stephen Nold (00:31.122)
I can delete all that. Yes, sir.

Stephen Nold (00:38.086)
We're live right now. Well, welcome, welcome coach to the Parent Portal show. Happy that you're with us and happy that I'm here and I'm happy that we're live. That's awesome. I'm glad to hear that. And we will, we'll just have a great show today, coach. It's a kind of a cloudy overcast day out there, but there is a lot going on. There's more, there's more content going on today than we have days in the hour. So.

Coach (00:40.255)
That's what it says.

Stephen Nold (01:07.546)
Why don't we just plow through some of this and see if we can't have a fun day at it. And we've got a great speaker that's gonna be joining us in a little while, Loyce Detman, who is just an amazing person here in the Austin, Texas, background in counseling and a teacher, educator, and has spent really a lifetime with working with kids. And she's got some pretty interesting things that she's accomplished, and I'm looking forward.

in the second part of our show to have her join us today.

Coach (01:40.514)
Yeah, it should be a great time. Anytime we can add a guest to our, um, show, it's going to always pick up and, and spark some interest and hopefully give some great idea to our parents.

Stephen Nold (01:53.89)
And it's always good to add a pretty face to the screen when all they see is our mugs sometimes. So certainly adding someone else is great. I'm glad she's able to join us today. Well, coach, NCAA leaders, let's jump into our good friends with the NCAA. You know how much I love those guys and love to talk.

Coach (02:20.446)
Yeah, they, it's been a busy week and you know, we've kind of talked in the past how we didn't think anything was going to be able to actually get done this year because of, um, you know, all the things that the, the house and the Senate had been going through with, oh, by the way, balance the budget. And you know, there's that little thing where you, they're trying to find ways to support wars in other countries. And there's, oh yeah, we got these problems where people are being investigated. And so.

Stephen Nold (02:48.401)
Yeah.

Coach (02:49.526)
This didn't seem to be like the number one priority for Congress. And so in the absence of that leadership, you know, it goes back to the NCAA. And we've kind of talked at Nausium about how the NCAA has just really, um, been searching for anything, you know, they've been holding town halls. They've been going to universities, trying to find ways to, um, be able to come up with some ideas for some guard rails.

And it has been, um, in the absence of that, the rest of the association, the rest of the universities, more importantly, the rest of the athletes have been moving on. They've been, you know, out there, you know, saying, Hey, this is wide open. We can go here and get some money and where we couldn't get it before. And there's no regulation really. And so to that point, that little brief history lesson.

Stephen Nold (03:40.826)
Yeah.

Coach (03:45.138)
Uh, we're, we're here, smack dab in the middle of December and we still don't have anything, but we have some direction that has come from the home office. If you will, our good friend, Charlie Baker is, uh, kind of proposed, uh, um, a radical idea in some people's eyes to be able to, um, to change the, change the shape and way that we have known, um, the NCAA handling, uh,

men's athletic football, and it is pretty, um, I could see it coming. I mean, you, we saw the power five conferences go to four in this next year with, with the real, they like to say realignment, but I mean, you know, the whole pack 12 just basically dissolved. And so now you have power four conference and from that there's still the haves and the have nots. And that's the problem, you know, is like the

Stephen Nold (04:33.85)
Yeah.

Coach (04:42.526)
Everybody wants to play on the playground, but not everybody can get to the playground that, that wants to play. And they're screaming, Hey, you know, it's, it's not fair. We're in a power four conference and it's not fair. Florida state. Great example there. You know, they're in the ACC and they're saying, Hey, uh, there's no money here. We want to go somewhere else and go play. And they just can't get out of it. And so there's the haves and the haves, not and have nots.

Stephen Nold (04:58.65)
Yeah.

Coach (05:10.654)
Well, what Charlie's saying is, is in this, um, proposal is, is that there'll be a tier system, if you will. So of the 133 teams that are in the NCAA, what he's thinking is, is like, there'll be a tier system of the haves and basically the have nots and in the haves, they're going to regulate money and how it's used. So the athletes will be paid to.

Uh, by the universities in this system. And they're looking at that and saying, you know, we want this to come in house. However, they can't get away from the dirty little secret. They don't want the athletes to be employees and there's just no way they can get away from it. And so they're trying to find creative language where they say they're not, but they really are.

Stephen Nold (06:00.026)
Yeah, well, let me give you two dirty little secrets. Not only were they not excited about paying athletes as employees, but part two to that is they don't wanna give up those revenue shares that they get from the TV rights and the TV advertising. And that's a big pot of gold and that's starting to get looked at pretty closely. So, you know, I hear Charlie Baker talking.

But my jaded view is gonna come out and I'm gonna tell you, they're trying to control the narrative. They're trying to control the game plan here and control the money in a way that the kids that really do deserve it and should be getting their share of the monies are going to not get, it's just, it's not gonna work to their benefit.

I hate to be so cynical, Coach, but I just have watched these guys now, the NCAA and the commissioners, all in the universities, they have all been protecting their own butts. And it's just, it's kind of sickening at times, candidly. I've been very frustrated to see that they don't pay attention to some of the things that truly benefit the students, because where's that standardized contract for signature?

that could have been something they could have put together a long time ago and had that available even despite not getting Congress's attention.

Coach (07:37.994)
Yeah. I mean, when you're talking money and you're talking this kind of money, we're talking billions of dollars for TV contracts that are out there, you're, you're seeing everybody go, Hey, you know, this is my part of the pie and you're not going to touch it. And what they're finding out is, you know, the athletes who have been the ones that have been the performers, you know, at the end of the day, and they've been overlooked and they said, Hey, you know, we've given you a scholarship and that's good enough.

Do you have to take that or you don't get it? Well, you know, that all changed when the ruling came in California a few years ago. And now those performers are getting compensated for it. And it is very scary for some of these institutions and, um, you know, these associations, because they're looking at this from, you know, how am I going to protect, you said it earlier, how are you going to protect your butt kind of thing. And it.

Stephen Nold (08:32.823)
Right

Coach (08:34.418)
It really is. It's, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, college athletics, there's not a lot of people. And I love lacrosse. I love watching it, but lacrosse is not filling the stands, not paying for, you know, professors that are on tenure. They're not paying for, you know, helping to set up endowments. A lot of that comes from the big sports.

And when those monies start getting carved away, that's, you know, all of a sudden these presidents of colleges and, you know, these trustees are looking and saying, wait a minute, we had this cashflow and this cashflow is not the same anymore.

Stephen Nold (09:19.094)
Yeah, yeah. Well, coach, I'd love to say they're going to figure it out and do the right thing, but, you know, I just I don't have that confidence. Well, in that kind of jump. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Coach (09:29.719)
Yeah, what?

No, no, but the, one of the things the AP, you know, article, um, kind of alluded to was in addition to the tier system and, you know, trying to meet the eligibility and that they're not, they're not being employees and all that stuff. One of the things that was just kind of buried in the article was talking about how they are going to the NCAA on its own is going to purportedly put something out in January.

that these are going to be the guidelines that they work from. So, I mean, if that's true, if that indeed is true, then there could be a big shift come January, even without, you know, any kind of type of Congress or, you know, federal kind of guidelines and that's huge because, uh, that's exposing the NCAA. You know, they're, they're just saying this we're all in, because if this doesn't work,

Stephen Nold (10:25.531)
Yeah.

Coach (10:31.574)
We're not going to be here, you know, at the end of the day there and what, you know, they're, they're right. But the other part is man, the liability that they're putting themselves into by making that move. If everybody's not in a buy-in and you know, not everybody's going to be in a buy-in situation, it's going to get messy, really messy.

Stephen Nold (10:33.57)
There you go.

Stephen Nold (10:52.218)
Yeah, well, they'll either find a way to make it work and to bring most of the big, you know, they need the big universities, the big conferences to fall in line. If they can get the top 25% for the most part to kind of buy into what they're proposing, then the rest of the lower tier, the Division II schools, they'll all fall in line. The challenge is what the courts will say.

And that's where the NCAA has just continued to suffer because they have not stepped up from day one when the courts stepped in and said, this has gotta change. The NCAA went off running and screaming. They ran out, they said, well, we can't fight the courts. So they went and ran to their buddies in Congress and said, we need your help, help us. And...

You know, Congress said, you know, we don't want to get involved in that. Are you kidding me? Do you know it's election year next year? Do you already see some of the craziness we've got going on here? So, you know, and it's, it's just like, uh, exactly what they were saying. Uh, warning this warning that they gave about, uh, permanent damage can be done if Congress doesn't get involved, right?

Rolled your eyes, that's all you do, coach.

Coach (12:17.418)
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's stupid. The damage is the money's going away from their, from their hands and going to somebody else's hands. Right. The debt, that's the damage. Don't make it feel like these kids aren't able to go out and play football. Don't make it sound like, you know, they're not getting their, you know, world-class education. There's no, that's the whole, there's no damage there from this. The damage is coming from our money's going away.

Stephen Nold (12:23.886)
Yep. Yeah.

Yeah.

Stephen Nold (12:47.586)
Yeah. Oh, yes, it is. And it's going to the kids.

Coach (12:49.606)
And, and to your point, yeah, until you're, yeah. And to your point, yeah, we're not worried about the kids is what it, but to your point is, is Congress isn't going to touch it, so it's going to be in the courts and you know how expeditiously that will take. And if that's what we're waiting on, expect a few more years of this, you know, craziness before there's any type of ruling or our way forward for the

Stephen Nold (12:56.85)
Hehehe

Coach (13:20.035)
um, for the athletes to be able to work in.

Stephen Nold (13:23.29)
Well, when the courts get involved, they work, it's a very deliberate process, right? So there's edges that get shaped and there's the way things get handled are done in a very timely manner for the courts, not for the fans or the universities or anyone else. But as far as the courts are concerned,

they're going to build on precedence. And since there isn't precedence, they will make precedence. And so they will start establishing and kind of nipping and tucking and folding and shaping. And that's where this is all gonna end up. And I think that's gonna happen anyway. I just think the NCAA is so abdicated, their role and their responsibility, that I think the courts will eventually end up shutting them down. I just don't think Congress is gonna be able to save them.

Now, if you don't give me the moment, I wanna say this. So their pitch, you know, and I think this is just crazy, is the risk is permanent damage to an enterprise that has meant an awful lot to our country. Oh my gosh, let's put our hands over our hearts while we say this. And to those who have benefited the experiences, benefited from the experiences. Well, let me think, who's benefited from the experiences?

That would be the colleges and the broadcasters. Just so we're all clear, that's where all the money has gone to. So that is such a, you know, it's a good thing I don't cuss, cause I wouldn't right now.

Coach (15:03.178)
Yeah, it's, I mean, this is a first world problem. You know, I do not imagine that in other countries, they are dealing with a recreational activity, sport, and they're dealing with billions and billions of dollars that affect a.

Stephen Nold (15:10.99)
Yeah.

Coach (15:32.846)
fraction of the population that, you know, I mean, there's many people that don't even know who, what, where about sport, uh, and they're existing just fine. They're, you know, their lives are going on and you know what the majority of the country, uh, this isn't their, their thing that they're going to bed worrying about.

This is, this is like, oh, they play football. That's great. But in the world of these people that have built this, you know, that have built this castle on the sand is starting to wash away a little bit and they don't like it, they don't like it at all. And it's a, but here's the other part. A lot of people just don't care.

Stephen Nold (16:06.244)
Yeah.

Stephen Nold (16:23.394)
Yeah. Well, I mean, when you say they play football, that's great. They say, well, they play football, but they don't, they've got the wrong name for what the right sport is. So there are a lot of people that just don't understand what the U S have done. Hey, give me, give me a chance to read the second part of this quote. Cause I think it's just as ridiculous as the first part. So Greg Sankey, the sec commissioner, uh, you know, he had his dire prediction. If a Congress didn't act. I mean,

Coach (16:34.905)
Yeah, there you go.

Stephen Nold (16:52.838)
It's just like a bunch of little boys in a room that are all, you know, worried about their toys getting taken away, which they should be. So anyway, Greg says, the risk we see states that further, the risk we see states further build walls around their recruiting grounds. In other words, the states are building around their recruiting grounds, thinking that somehow provides a competitive advantage.

The risk is that more and more young people sign agreements that they don't understand. Well, that doesn't change anything. That's still a problem. Whether, you know, no matter where the money's going, that's still gonna be a problem. Let's be clear about that. The risk is we move further and further from the academic nature of college sports. Oh my gosh, that ship sailed, what, 30 years ago. 30 years ago that ship sailed. This is not academic in nature.

Talk to these kids who are playing athletics, college athletics. It's a job. That's the problem. See, these guys, their whole counter argument is so horrible and so just unreal. It's not real life.

Coach (18:08.214)
It really isn't. Last night I watched a volleyball match. Yeah. Your Texas Longhorns were playing, um, out West in the, um, one of the super regionals and they were playing against Tennessee and it was 1130 at night when this match ended great match. The girls played incredible came back, won the fifth set. It was really cool. Here's, here's what I'm going to ask. In.

Stephen Nold (18:22.578)
Oh yeah?

Coach (18:37.354)
Right now, universities still in session. Aren't, aren't they still going? Yeah. Yes. The answer is yes. They're still going. They're still in semester. So the girls have been out there probably for two days. They're going to be there because they won through the weekend. So that's four or five days. Now you want to tell me that their, their challenge is to be able to maintain their grades.

And to be professional, I'm sorry, let that slip amateur athletes. And so as a, yeah, yeah. And so they're amateur athletes, but three quarters of their week, they're in another city playing sport. That's taking up, Oh, by the way, quite a bit of time to do. So to your point is, is like, are these professional academics, academics?

Stephen Nold (19:11.991)
Amateurs, okay.

Coach (19:36.782)
And then you can say it right. Are they professional athletes and they're athletes first, you know, academics second, and you know, for anybody to get up and say, Oh, well, you know, um, it's all, it's all about, you know, the school and everything else, man, I just challenge you to go to any power five athletic department and watch what happens.

Stephen Nold (20:04.39)
Mm-hmm.

Coach (20:06.662)
It is a business and the business is building athletes straight up building athletes to be the best that they can be so that they can go out and play individually or as a team and win championships. That's what they're building. They're not necessarily over in the, the history department going, Oh, how, you know, tell us about the war of 1812. You know,

Stephen Nold (20:32.29)
Yeah, well, and this is going to continue to be a challenge, right? So students, student athletes, the athlete portion of the role is always going to be a very pressure driven for these kids who are playing at these collegiate levels. And the tendency is going to be to let the sports take over on the academics.

Having them being paid isn't gonna change that. As a matter of fact, it could increase that pressure. I get it, you know? And so that's back to some of the issues that we want the resources and the tools that are in place. That's where NCAA could help. But you know, these guys have missed it. They're thinking about themselves still and they are not addressing.

They're not looking at the benefit for the kids. If the kids were truly at the center of this discussion, it would be how can we help a student athlete be every bit the athlete they need to be and still give them the tools that they need to succeed. Now big campuses do a pretty good job with it, but to your point, every college kid that I know right now that I've been, you know, I've just happened to be talking to a few of them because of some things.

scheduling things that we're doing down the road. It turns out they're all in the middle of midterms. They're all trying to figure out, you know, getting these finals taken before heading off to their Christmas break. Well, how in the world could you go travel to Tennessee and think that that's part of the game plan? But, you know, this is nothing new. The kids have been doing this for years. The sports have been there for years. And this is a program that just needs a little more

It needs to reward kids up front because they are going to go through this pressure. It is not, they are not just students. You know, there's the ability for these kids to have to play this dual role. That's always going to be a challenge.

Coach (22:47.146)
Yeah. I, at the end of the day, you know, the model that, that football in college uses is when you compare it to like baseball or you compare it to basketball. There's another pathway, right? In those two sports, they go to the G league, they go to AAA, you know, straight out of high school. They'll go in and they have that pay to play option. They may start at the bottom and some nowhere team, but they have that option.

Stephen Nold (23:11.727)
Yeah.

Coach (23:16.566)
And there's really not that in the, you know, in the NFL model that, uh, leads itself to this, uh, this stuff, which, you know, the, the cascading, uh, effects of it, you can see, you can see where, you know, all these other sports go, well, what about me? You know, if you're going to do it for this person, why not do it for that person and they're right. And so it's kind of pulled the.

The bed spread back and shown everything that's in the bed. And it's not always pretty.

Stephen Nold (23:48.518)
I didn't know you were going to go there today. I love it. I love it. It's all good. Well, all right. Well, I don't know how to transition out of that very well. How about we talk about Jeremy Gray, who's a Democrat in Alabama, who's got this legislation that he's trying to get passed in the state of Alabama. Our good friends.

Coach (23:49.47)
Yeah, I know, right? It's an adult audience today, I'm sorry.

Coach (23:58.834)
No you can't, you really can't.

Coach (24:14.694)
Yeah. Well, Alabama has been, you know, for the past five or six months, just beating the drums saying, Hey, we're from, we're playing from behind. And you know, we, he has been, well, it's because everybody else, right. And so, but to that point, he, uh, representative Gray said, look, Democrat representative Gray said, Hey, by the way,

Stephen Nold (24:24.663)
Nick Saban's been hatin' life.

Stephen Nold (24:29.978)
Yeah.

Coach (24:42.218)
We want to play on the same field as everybody else. Well, to do that, he's proposed, um, you know, NIL bill that would allow, uh, high school students to be able to benefit from their name, image and likeness. And it's, you know, you have 30 states that are currently, uh, allowing that to happen and with some of the other states that have academies they're making, you know, they're, they're circumventing their.

Stephen Nold (24:57.394)
Sure.

Coach (25:12.098)
Uh, state, you know, leagues are like here in the state of Texas. UIL league is the one that kind of, um, governs the high school association. Oh, by the way, they don't for the academies. And so the academies, they kind of slipped through those, um, those cracks, if you will, and are able to help their, their athletes within IELM monies. But the other 30 states, uh, have.

Stephen Nold (25:32.599)
Mm-hmm.

Stephen Nold (25:36.913)
Yeah.

Coach (25:40.83)
have allowed it and now Alabama's seen the difference where they, you know, they used to be top of the mountain kind of thing and, uh, they're still up there. Believe me, they're still up there, but no, you can't, you can't get rid of them, but the other part is, is that where they used to have three deep five stars, uh, it doesn't look like that now. And, um, their ability, you know, when it, when

Stephen Nold (25:52.334)
Yeah, there's, yeah, they're not, don't cry for them too much yet.

Stephen Nold (26:04.303)
Yeah.

Stephen Nold (26:07.9)
They're down to two and a half teeth.

Coach (26:10.322)
Yeah. Well, I mean, when one goes down, the next person doesn't look like that same person anymore. And that person that was behind somebody is starting somewhere against them. And you know, for, for Alabama, they said, we see a need fix a need. And it didn't take very long, six months in the, in the grand scheme of, of this thing is not a long time, but it's, uh, they're going to have to be playing catch up with it.

Stephen Nold (26:14.187)
Yeah, not quite, yeah.

Coach (26:38.678)
Texas is too. I mean, Texas doesn't even have something like this.

Stephen Nold (26:42.126)
Well, yeah, so, you know, in the state of Texas, they've got this whole voucher system that Governor Abbott's trying to push through, and he's trying to figure out a way to make parents happy and teachers happy through giving money, you know, and it focuses in place to a key constituency that he wants to, you know, appeal to, or at least court, and, but he's really bumbled on it, candidly.

But you know, I think it's about $10,000 kind of voucher program that keeps getting shut down by the legislature. Both the Republicans and Democrats are shutting it down. But you know, think of it this way. I mean, you take $10,000 per student and let them go off to whatever school they want to go off to, and then you try to add NIL money on it and boy, you're kind of starting to have some pretty interesting high school players that have

kind of some interesting dollars to go spend, depending upon how this kind of works out. Now, we know in IELTS for high school students in Texas hadn't happened yet. Really hadn't been much of a discussion. It doesn't look like they're bringing it on the table at all. But the pressure's gonna be there. I mean, Sabin was trying to stem the flow. He's putting all his fingers in the dikes, right? Or in the cracks in the dikes.

and he's suffering. He knows he's starting to lose and he's starting to watch these kids go away and go play at other programs. And you know, and Texas is going to have that same challenge, you know. We've recruited heavily. We've got three quarterbacks. Two of them are, you know, absolutely essential in this program. But the third one is going to be kind of quality. You put them out on the field and other teams get very interested in them. So...

Don't think for a moment that we're not gonna see that same kind of pressure on a lot of the teams. And you know, Matt Ruhl kind of went to it pretty directly. You gotta have the money. You gotta be able to pay a million to $2 million for a really good quarterback. Or guess what? He's not gonna sit on the second string bench. And if you wanna pay him to sit, then that's your business. I don't, there's several of those quarterbacks who will still go away.

Stephen Nold (29:09.163)
But they're not going away for without a good check me and read you know what I mean

Coach (29:15.734)
Yeah. Well, I mean, there's 10, at least 10 division one quarterbacks in the portal right now, and you know, if, yeah, Ohio state, Washington state, uh, Oregon state. Uh, you know, it's there, they're out there. They're due quarterback. Um, there there's a number, I mean, just pick up and read and see who they are. But.

Stephen Nold (29:23.182)
Yeah, Ohio State.

Stephen Nold (29:28.75)
Yeah.

Stephen Nold (29:38.897)
Yeah.

Coach (29:43.166)
point is in years gone by, they would never leave, never leave that safety of, of what they had because we'll take your scholarship away if you leave, you know, kind of stuff, or you can't transfer to another school. You have to sit out two years before you do that. That's just not fair. Ah, that's all gone now, man. And so if you're sitting at a school and you didn't, your school didn't recruit you, didn't recruit you when you're in your school, they're looking in.

Stephen Nold (29:47.748)
No.

Coach (30:13.014)
You know, Ohio state right now is probably looking all over the place and calling and saying, Hey, look, you know, they are there. They're reaching out and saying, Hey, wherever we've got a bag full of money. We just, we'll surround you with, you know, the, the best receivers, the best line in the world. You've been playing at a school. That's okay. Come play with us. Yeah.

Stephen Nold (30:18.002)
Oh yeah.

Stephen Nold (30:35.941)
Yeah, we saw you down at UTSA, and let me think, you could really make some money up here.

Coach (30:42.762)
Yeah, come up here and you're going to win a national championship. You know, by the way, you're going to get paid. That's, that's where we are now. And it's like, those guys are going, well, you know, I can finish my scholarship at Ohio state as opposed to someplace else, you know.

Stephen Nold (30:56.526)
Yeah. Well, okay. Well, do you think that they'll go ahead and mention the Venmo opportunity?

Coach (31:04.286)
Well, that's a, that's a awesome, I mean, that's just like spitting in the face of everything, but it, that's a great article article, a great segue for an article that came out with, uh, for a former college football assistant, he has a wild in IL idea about Vin mowing, uh, on the bin big screens during the game. So yes, yes. And so his idea is, is that they have.

Stephen Nold (31:09.798)
Ugh.

Stephen Nold (31:25.621)
His name's Bush, right?

Coach (31:32.498)
You know, your QR codes up on the, uh, big screen and right after somebody makes a great play, boom, you can donate to it. Holy cow. Send money.

Stephen Nold (31:41.586)
Send me money. That was a great hit. Let's send him 100 bucks.

Coach (31:46.946)
Can you imagine being on the sidelines and like, all right, I'm going to come off the sidelines and hit somebody. I know I'm going to get lit up with like, you know, getting kicked out of the game, but you know, somebody's going to go, I'll pay, I'll pay $500 to see him, you know, light somebody up and it's like, my gosh, how crazy is that?

Oh, it's...

Stephen Nold (32:10.379)
That is such a bad idea. And it's the alums, right? You know, I mean, it's those stupid, crazy alums who want to break the rules anyway. And, you know, and they've got more money than common sense, and they're, you know, just funneling money into these different things. And they're the guys that are, you know, half-baked watching the college game and said, oh my gosh, we've got to put a thousand dollars in his scholarship fund. That's just, that's the craziness.

It's not going to happen.

Coach (32:39.754)
No, but you can just see the guys that are playing Madden at home. They're sitting there going, man, you know, I, this is the same thing. I had an opportunity to control my athlete on the field of play. And really you do. You really, you do, you know, these guys are performing. It's like, if I can make $10,000 for whatever on a field, you know, they're going to do it. It's like that wasn't part of the play. Yep. I got paid.

Stephen Nold (32:52.666)
Yeah.

Stephen Nold (33:06.218)
Yeah, well the whole bounty kind of concept, right? You know, it's like, yeah, man, if I can take that quarterback out, I bet I get a nice paycheck this week. Yeah, it's.

Coach (33:10.186)
Yeah, bounty, right?

Coach (33:16.118)
You're going to give, you're going to give 15 yards or 15 and $15,000. What a bad idea.

Stephen Nold (33:21.596)
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, there's the other side. Yeah, very bad. Very bad.